HanoverB
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Re: XPS 8930 Corsair CPU Liquid Cooler, GTX 1080 Hybrid, upg

Update on another case swap:

I did a successful case swap.using a Phanteks Eclipse P350X.

 

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Obviously, the need to do a case swap is primarily aimed at addressing the lack of cooling options we have with the XPS 8930 case.   I like this case as it gives you these options, and adds built-In subtle RGB lighting in an affordable package ($60-$70). Sweet case!

Priced the same as the NZXT H500, less than the Meshify C Mini.

Case swap went well, followed the workarounds, brought the upper IO panel into the case, and there were no problems.

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Wi-fi Antenna locations before I finished the cable management. Tucked into tie down tabs.  

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I’ll add some more pics after I add some fan frames and details.

 

Little more about the case

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http://www.phanteks.com/Eclipse-P350X.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJEaKt7zv5o

 

Details on next couple of posts about rear IO shield and this case swap.

Full summary on this case swap here

Finished pics:  

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HanoverB
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Re: XPS 8930 Corsair CPU Liquid Cooler, GTX 1080 Hybrid, upg

 

Worked on the missing rear IO Shield issue.

 

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Room lighting only.  It looks really cool when you look inside the lit up case through the mesh!

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I started by trimming off about 1/16” of the adhesive strip of the mesh on the long side closest to the edge of the case.  There is only a shallow lip there. Once I did that, clearance was perfect inside the case for the adhesive on all 4 sides.  

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Inside the Dell case there is foam gasket which has the outline of the IO connectors. 

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I used  that gasket for a tracing template using a fine point Sharpie on both the mesh and white paper (several pieces) underneath it.  I used painter's tape on both the piece of mesh and paper underneath so they wouldn't separate or move around. Then did some cutting with a sharp razor knife and xacto knife with a straightedge as a guide.   Use the straightedge, makes it a lot easier.  I used painter's tape liberally to hold things down for me at every step when tracing and cutting.  

Circles were the only difficult cut.  I cut hexagon shapes instead and turned out fine.

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As far as fit, start with the edge next to the GPU at the bottom of the IO panel. When positioned correctly, it adheres to the cross bar at that location but it shouldn't show through the PCI slot..  The GPU's PCI-E bracket will fit right over it.. No adhesive should be showing anywhere from the back of the case. 

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I did the fitting with the adhesive still covered and the computer on its side. 

The two reference point I used were:
1) the edge of the first PCI-E slot opening mentioned above
2) the two rear fan screw openings

The right side of the mesh should be at the edge of the PCI-E slot.  Then check the side where the rear fan screw openings are located.  The two screw openings should be unobstructed and that mesh side square right up next to the edge of both of the screw openings..  Trim a little more of the opposite side next to the row of connectors if the adhesive is showing through those screw openings.

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The only tricky part is marking the location of the rear IO ports on the mesh prior to making the cuts:  There are a rows of holes in the mesh you can use to check for squareness.  Try to square them up to the IO shield opening as they are helpful for making straight cuts as guides.  If you are square to the edge of both the rear fan screw openings you should be good.  Use the painters tape to hold the mesh in place once you have it positioned since you still have the adhesive on the edges still covered.

First, have the mesh installed inside the case with the motherboard in place. Positioning the mesh over the ports is fine, you won't damage the mesh and you need to see where the ports are.  So once you have the mesh inside the case, with the edge trimmed, and taped in place exactly where you want it, put the foam gasket on the mesh over the port locations.  You want to somehow mark the position of the gasket on the mesh.  I used thin strips of blue painter's tape on the mesh to mark the location of the four corner/sides of the foam gasket 

Then removed that mesh from inside the case, put in on my table and used those tape marks to re-position the gasket back on the mesh to trace the port openings exactly where they should be cut.   Use the blue tape again this time to hold the gasket in place while you do your tracing. (see pic above).  A fine point sharpie worked well for me as I was able to mark the mesh as well as the white paper underneath which made it easier for me to see where to make the cuts.  

I did the final install to the inside of case with the motherboard in place, rear exhaust fan removed, GPU not installed..

Fan screw openings for the rear exhaust fan are clear and edge of mesh is squared up to the openings.

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Note that it took quite a while for the mesh IO shield to get to me from China.....at least a couple of weeks.

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HanoverB
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Re: XPS 8930 Corsair CPU Liquid Cooler, GTX 1080 Hybrid, upg

Some notes on the Phanteks Eclipse P350X case swap

I looked at the both darkFlash T120 (side airflow) and the Phanteks P350x case (front airflow) when looking for RGB options. 

http://www.phanteks.com/Eclipse-P350X.html 

https://www.amazon.com/darkFlash-Mid-Tower-Computer-Tempered-Pre-Installed/dp/B07DFZ7JPK

 

The XPS 8930 motherboard does not have built in RGB headers for LED lighting or a USB 2.0 header for a controller.   Without a motherboard dedicated RGB header, LED system lighting is typically added with a software RGB controller that uses a USB 2.0 connector. 

This Phanteks case uses built-in addressable RGB lighting with 5V 3 pin DRGB connectors controlled by the buttons on top of the case..  Addressable RGB means each individual LED is capable of a separate color vs non-addressable RGB lighting where all the LED’s are one color.  Note that there are 12V 4 pin RGB systems and these are not compatible with the built in 5v 3 pin DRGB controller on the P350X case.

The LED lighting in this case is expandable by chaining additional fan frames or strips.   Add LED fan frames to any fans which would connect directly to the RGB controller in the case.  Or add another LED strip into the case. There are two connectors on each LED device.  One connects to another device in the chain for power, the other is an additional connector for the next device in the chain.  They are all controlled by the buttons on top of the case.  

Optional: 

Phanteks Halo 120mm Digital LED Fan Frame

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BGVD62T

Phanteks Digital LED Strip Combo

https://www.amazon.com/Phanteks-PH-DRGBLED_Combo_01-Digital-Adapter-Compatible/dp/B07C1ZFRWW

 

Things I needed before the case swap:

  • Jumper cable for motherboard front panel pins 5 to 9
  • USB 3.0 PCI-E card for the front USB 3.0 connectors on the new case
  • Upper IO Panel from Dell XPS 8930 case

Before starting, make sure you have a M5 (5mm) or 3/16 hex driver around for moving a couple of the motherboard standoffs.  This case, to my surprise, does not have that hex tool in the screws kit.  

There are only 3 motherboard connectors in this case. Power Switch connector, the USB 3.0 connector, HD Audio connector.  The POWER SWITCH connected to pins 6 and 8 in the new case did not result in any startup errors. 

The USB 3.0 cable from the P350X front upper USB 3.0 ports was able reach the USB 3.0 PCI-E card at the rear of the case. I used the Inateck USB 3.0 non-powered PCI-E card again in this case.  Speeds are fine.

Note the particulars here about the XPS 8930 here about disassembly of the motherboard, IO unit, wireless card, etc. Installation of the motherboard, PSU and drives is a breeze, there is a lot of room in the case.

Be really careful when removing and installing the USB 3.0 connectors on the motherboard.  I hate the Intel design as the connectors are very tight and it is very easy to bend or even break a pin. Try to always go straight up of down with the connector.  If you wiggle is from side to side you risk bending/breaking a pin.

I already stated the workarounds result in no startup errors and all functions are okay.   I did test the P350X USB connector with the motherboard headers to see if perhaps the results would be different.  As expected, there was an IO startup error when connected to the black USB motherboard header.  So both USB connectors from the XPS 8930 IO panel brought into the case have to be connected to the respective motherboard USB headers.  SD card header connected, jumper from pins 5 to 9 in place at the front panel connector.

The Dell IO panel fits easily next to the hard drive cage.  I did put a piece of electrical tape on that mounting flange because of the sharp edge.  Tie up the unused  yellow HD Audio cable in that bundle.

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Note where I ran two IO unit USB cables into the case as they reach okay from that hard drive area.  

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I mentioned before you can use the red optical SATA cable to the flat mounted SSD.  If you have more than one SSD pick up another SATA  data cable that has a low profile right angle (clipless) on one end to flat connector on the other end.  

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The PSU 4/8 pin CPU power cable (braided cable next to the PSU in pic below and above) connects to the upper left corner of the motherboard (upper right on pic above on the back of the case).  I found that the best way to run that cable was to the back of the case next to to the PSU and then under the lip at the rear of the case behind the open SSD caddy and up to the opening in the upper rear corner of the case.

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Also the single 3 pin Phanteks case fan that comes with the case is usable and reasonably quiet. (1200-1300 RPM if based on their retail PH-F120SP fan).

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It is really helpful to have this 4/3 Pin SATA fan adapter for any of these case swaps.  The fan leads are long and make any fixed fan connections very easy.  The molex to SATA connectors work but they have short leads and take up more space as would the additional molex modular cable from the PSU.

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If you are planning on using the Phanteks Digital LED Halo fan frame on any of the fans, they are very easy to install..  They come with the fan screws and radiator bolts for normal installations.  The only thing to watch out for is if you put the Halo fan frame in the front of the radiator fan at the front of the case so you can see the LED's from the front.  The 6/32" x 1 1/4" radiator screws are are fine if you use the recess in the fan frame.  But when installing through the flat front of the chassis they are too short and they won't reach the radiator. You will need to get some black 6/32" x 1 1/2" machine screws to install through the front chassis into the fan frame, fan and radiator.

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I also followed Alienblaster's advice and connected the 4 pin SP120 PWM fan on the H60 CPU cooler radiator fixed to the PSU at 1700 RPM for initial testing.  Never really had a problem with the i7 8700 CPU with temps in the 60C's normally under load, but that fan never got above 650-690 RPM under loads when connected to the CPU FAN header.   At 1700 RPM, that fan is probably the loudest fan in my system, and noise levels are barely acceptable. But the drop in temps is what I am looking for. Changing the fan speeds would drop the noise levels. 

Full summary on this thread here

Testing and final configuration here.

rwgordon
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Re: XPS 8930 Corsair CPU Liquid Cooler, GTX 1080 Hybrid, upg

Your a busy guy HanoverB, saw the Phantek case at newegg a few weeks ago also  , had it in my cart for a while! Originally had Fractal case to "test" but was physically to large for my environment! Have a Corsair 275R sitting in garage waiting for me if I get bored or decide to build a system. Are you going to stay with this case?

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HanoverB
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Re: XPS 8930 Corsair CPU Liquid Cooler, GTX 1080 Hybrid, upg


@rwgordon wrote:

Your a busy guy HanoverB, saw the Phantek case at newegg a few weeks ago also  , had it in my cart for a while! Originally had Fractal case to "test" but was physically to large for my environment! Have a Corsair 275R sitting in garage waiting for me if I get bored or decide to build a system. Are you going to stay with this case?


Hi Ray

I am going to keep this case.  That's why I went ahead and did the rear IO mesh shield.

I like the look of the this case.  With the stock built in lighting, it's a pretty case. That strip of horizontal lighting at the base of the tempered glass is a real nice touch.  The front lighting is understated, not over the top.  I do like the fact you control the lighting with hardware buttons and not software, which can have glitches..

You can add more lighting as it's daisy chained and even though I really like the elegant look of the stock lighting, I am going to add  4 of the digital fan frames for the fans I have in the case.  Should look nice when done and I will post a couple more pics then.

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HanoverB
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Re: XPS 8930 Corsair CPU Liquid Cooler, GTX 1080 Hybrid, upg

 

I want to add that I have found an upside to having the IO panel in the case as part of the case swap. 

When installing a 240mm/280mm cooler for K processors and overclocking, to utilize the full capability for fan control and lighting control you need a USB 2.0 motherboard header to connect a mini-USB or micro-USB cable to the pump for software control.

The XPS 8930 motherboard has no such USB 2.0 header.

NZXT uses a mini-USB cable to 5-pin female USB 2.0 connector on their NZXT Kraken 240mm/280mm dual radiator liquid coolers.  Corsair uses a micro-USB cable to 9-pin USB 2.0 connector (using only 4 pins on one side of the connector) on their H100i  PRO 240mm dual radiator unit.

Corsair 9 pin connector that has 4 pins used on one side of the connector

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Corsair uses Cue, NZXT uses CAM for their software.  

 

You can bypass the controls of the fan by going straight to the CPU Fan header and let the motherboard control the fan speed to vary with CPU temps, but you lose control of the ability to change the fan speeds manually and to change the lighting. 

 

Having the internal USB ports on the IO panel can come in handy.for the lack of the USB 2.0 headers:

 

To create a single row USB 2.0 5-pin header in the case for the pump 5-pin/9-pin connectors use this cable and one of the available USB 3.1 ports inside the case (the arrow on the connector is the hot wire (red) on both sides of the connection, wires on both sides should match red-white-green-black)

https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-designed-motherboard-external-connector/dp/B000V6WD8A

https://www.ebay.com/itm/8-inch-USB-2-0-A-Male-to-1x5-5-Pin-IDC-Motherboard-Connector-Adapter-Cable/...

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To create a standard USB 2.0 9-pin header you can use this cable connected to one of the USB ports on the IO unit in this machine.  This may be useful as there as some devices like the NZXT Internal USB Hub which uses a 9 pin connector for stability.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Q4QZW57

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Instead of using the USB header for the cooler connection, you would typically use this cable from one of the rear USB ports in the back and bring it into the case.  But the IO panel is already there inside the case with an available USB port.

https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-USB-2-0-Cable-Male/dp/B00NH11N5A

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For a micro-USB connector use this:

https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Male-Micro-Cable-Black/dp/B0711PVX6Z

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rwgordon
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Re: XPS 8930 Corsair CPU Liquid Cooler, GTX 1080 Hybrid, upg

Interesting thought using adapter for usb 2 from back panel. What do you think about this adapter to supply front panel on case with usb 3, instead of pcie card?

https://www.amazon.com/Sienoc-Header-Adapter-20Pin-Motherboard/dp/B018XFSVG8

or 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Blue-2-Port-USB-3-0-Type-A-Male-to-20-Pin-Header-Male-Adapter-Cable-Cord-K4...

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HanoverB
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Re: XPS 8930 Corsair CPU Liquid Cooler, GTX 1080 Hybrid, upg


@rwgordon wrote:

Interesting thought using adapter for usb 2 from back panel. What do you think about this adapter to supply front panel on case with usb 3, instead of pcie card?

https://www.amazon.com/Sienoc-Header-Adapter-20Pin-Motherboard/dp/B018XFSVG8

or 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Blue-2-Port-USB-3-0-Type-A-Male-to-20-Pin-Header-Male-Adapter-Cable-Cord-K4...

 

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That is a great idea!!!  Then you wouldn't have any power issues that might arise from using the PCI-E slot.

Good find.

 

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Re: XPS 8930 Corsair CPU Liquid Cooler, GTX 1080 Hybrid, upg

Phanteks Elite P350X testiing

 

Initial testing with Corsair SP120 PWM fan on the CPU cooler radiator with fixed speed at 1700 RPM after case swap:

Windows 10 Home 64 bit
CPU  i7 8700
16GB stock Dell RAM
Corsair H60 (2018) CPU liquid cooler as upper intake, with OEM Corsair SP120 PWM fan, fixed speed 1700 RPM to PSU.  CPU pump tach cable to TOP FAN header 
MSI SeaHawk GTX 1080 Hybrid GPU with liquid cooler, as rear exhaust, OEM Corsair SP120 3 pin fan, fixed speed 1650 RPM to PSU. 
(2)  Noctua NF-A12x15 PWM slim fans, as dual upper exhaust, to CPU FAN header
Phantek PH-F120SP case fan, as lower intake, fixed speed 1300 RPM to PSU
Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 850W PSU
Samsung 970 EVO 1GB NVMe PCIE M.2 2280 SSD as boot drive
Samsung 860 EVO iTB SATA III 2.5" SSD

***Prime 95 v2.66 CPU Torture Test, Small FFT, 12 cycles.  30 minutes:   
CPU temps at end of test run was 54C.  Max temp was 69C. 
Thermal throttling: NO
Clock speeds stable at 3391.6 mHz, max was 4291.6 mHz at 100% on all cores at start of test
Voltage stable at 1.004, max was 1.248.
CPU radiator fan fixed at 1700 RPM 

In the Prime 95 test, the difference in CPU temps from the previous XPS 8930 case using this new case setup and the CPU radiator fan fixed at 1700 RPM was -14C.  At the end of test, the highest CPU core temp was 54 degrees.   That’s a big drop in temps from the liquid cooled XPS 8930 case. 

The NZXT case temps were only 3-4C less than the liquid cooled XPS 8930 case.  But in that testing, I had the SP120 PWM connected to the CPU FAN header, and it never got above 670 RPM.  

I am certain that fixing the CPU radiator fan had a lot to do with these cooler temps to offset the conservative fan curves on the Dell motherboard.  The clear path for airflow from the intake position also helped as well.

AlienBlaster’s recommendation of using a fixed speed fan on the CPU cooler radiator makes a noticeable difference, and would recommend making this change as well with the liquid cooled XPS 8930 case.  Then it would be a matter of balancing noise vs CPU temps by slightly lowering the fan speed or changing to a quieter fan.

On the Firestrike benchmark, GPU temps again were the same, as the GPU cooling radiator is now in an exhaust position and using heated air to cool the radiator.

Samsung 970 Evo NVME SSD temps at end of Prime 95 Test (HWInfo64)
Drive temp 1: 42C
Drive temp 2: 64C

Edit: 03/16/19 Test temps with correct fixed speed of 1700 RPM of H60 radiator fan. NVME SSD temps added.  Fan connections that are fixed speed on the PSU are with this 4/3 pin to SATA adapter.

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Next step was to swap the CPU cooler radiator fan from the Corsair SP120 fan on the radiator to the quieter NF-F12 PWM Chromax Black fans (same spec as NF-F12 PWM fans).  1500 RPM / 22.4 dBA / 55 CFM.  MUCH quieter than the Corsair SP120 fan. 1700 RPM / 28.3 dBa / 57.2CFM

Windows 10 Home 64 bit
CPU  i7 8700
16GB stock Dell RAM
Corsair H60 (2018) CPU liquid cooler as upper intake, with Noctua NF-F12 PWM Chromax Black fan, fixed speed 1500 RPM to PSU.  CPU pump tach cable to TOP FAN header 
MSI SeaHawk GTX 1080 Hybrid GPU with liquid cooler, as rear exhaust, Noctua NF-F12 PWM Chromax Black fan, fixed speed 1500 RPM to PSU  
(2)  Noctua NF-A12x15 PWM slim fans, as dual upper exhaust, to CPU FAN header
Phantek PH-F120SP case fan, as lower intake, fixed speed 1300 RPM to PSU
Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 850W PSU
Samsung 970 EVO 1GB NVMe PCIE M.2 2280 SSD as boot drive
Samsung 860 EVO iTB SATA III 2.5" SSD

***Prime 95 v2.66 CPU Torture Test, Small FFT, 12 cycles.  30 minutes:   
CPU temps at end of test run was 53C.  Max temp was 68C.  
Thermal throttling: NO
Clock speeds stable at 3390.9 mHz, max was 4291.6 mHz at 100% on all cores at start of test
Voltage stable at 1.007, max was 1.264.
CPU radiator fan fixed at 1500 RPM 

Edit: 03/17/19  Changed H60 radiator fans to Noctua NF-F12 PWM fans, fixed speed of 1500 RPM.  CPU temps similar (-1C) but with noise drop  28.3.dBa to 22.4 dBA

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Final configuration: To get a further drop in noise, installed the Noctua NA-RC7 Low Noise Adapter (50 ohm) on NF-F12 PWM Chromax Black fan to drop the RPM from 1500 RPM to 1200 RPM. . 1200 RPM / 18.6 dBA / 43.73 CFM.  Nice balance of noise/performance.

Windows 10 Home 64 bit
CPU  i7 8700
16GB stock Dell RAM
Corsair H60 (2018) CPU liquid cooler as upper intake, with Noctua NF-F12 PWM Chromax Black fan, fixed speed 1200 RPM to PSU.  CPU pump tach cable to TOP FAN header 
MSI SeaHawk GTX 1080 Hybrid GPU with liquid cooler, as rear exhaust, Noctua NF-F12 PWM Chromax Black fan, fixed speed 1500 RPM to PSU  
(2)  Noctua NF-A12x15 PWM slim fans, as dual upper exhaust, to CPU FAN header
Phantek PH-F120SP case fan, as lower intake, fixed speed 1300 RPM to PSU
Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 850W PSU
Samsung 970 EVO 1GB NVMe PCIE M.2 2280 SSD as boot drive
Samsung 860 EVO iTB SATA III 2.5" SSD

***Prime 95 v2.66 CPU Torture Test, Small FFT, 12 cycles.  30 minutes:   
CPU temps at end of test run was 55C.  Max temp was 66C.  
Thermal throttling: NO
Clock speeds stable at 3488.9 mHz, max was 4291.6 mHz at 100% on all cores at start of test
Voltage stable at 1.021, max was 1.300
CPU radiator fan fixed at 1200 RPM 

Edit: 03/25/19 Using Noctua NF-F12 PWM fan with LNA, reduced fixed fan speed fixed from 1500 RPM to 1200 RPM.  CPU temps similar (+2C) with noise drop  22.4 dBa to 18.6 dBA

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AlienBlaster
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Re: XPS 8930 Corsair CPU Liquid Cooler, GTX 1080 Hybrid, upg

Good case and good job!

I was about to ask why you use H60 as a front exhaust for both Meshify C Mini and H500, but somehow forgot. I think it should work better as an intake, especially for Meshify and P350X since you have a top exhaust directly above it to direct the heated air out quickly. Your result proves it and I estimate that about 2-3 degree drop is because of this and another 4-5c is from fixing the fan speed.

On the same note, I think you probably can also benefit by placing the seahawk fan as a lower front intake to get cool air directly. In your current setup, cool air takes a really long path from lower intake and is likely mostly pulled out by top exhaust before getting to it. By switching it, you have three exhaust fans all working efficiently as exhaust too. If you want to keep the LED in the same position you can switch the OEM fan with one of the Noctuas. Those A12s should also work fine as a SP fan. If you still use the same fan, the LED may also look nice from the front panel. The only down side is your NVME may get slightly warmer, but a 970 EVO should be fine.

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